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According to C|Net, Apple has officially decided to drop IBM, and will use Intel processors starting in their '06 line of systems. This change was rumored last month. The announcement is expected Monday at Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco, at which Chief Executive Steve Jobs is giving the keynote speech." From the article: "Apple successfully navigated a switch in the 1990s from Motorola's 680x0 line of processors to the Power line jointly made by Motorola and IBM. That switch also required software to be revamped to take advantage of the new processors' performance, but emulation software permitted older programs to run on the new machines.

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Ta novica se je kot blisk razsirila po vseh straneh z novicami. Ampak, bo to res...? Cudno, cudno... mogoce tudi Steve ne ve tocno, a bi sli z Intelom in se izneverili sami sebi al ustrajal..

ne vem ali bi Apple preživel še en prehod.

meni je bolj zanimiv tole PowerBook G5.

sebastijan je napisal/a:

ne vem ali bi Apple preživel še en prehod. meni je bolj zanimiv tole PowerBook G5

Seba, prelet mal forume pa boš vidu da je to "hoax"

jaz ne wem ... pac men se cist tko osebno zdi 1.8 g5 k ga imam hitrejsi kt p4 HT 3ghz k ga mam v sluzbi, na sploh mi je filing velik bolsi v xosu kot na pcju ... da pa recimo hitrost ni vse potrdi tud da se je men palm3 16mhz dragonball zdel hitrejsi kot pa wince z 200 mhz porcesorjem in 20x vec rama ...

s prehodom na Intel bi zgubili veliko. le spomnimo se prehoda iz leta 1994. pomoje bo Apple - Intel naveza prinesla WiMax za AirPort Express.

"lets make an airport express for video so that we can take over the living room"

Vse večje so domneve o prevzemu podjetja Freescale s strani podjetja Intel oz. Apple. Lahko, da je vse res. Freescale je trenutno vreden 3 miljarde dolarjev, medtem ko je podjetje Apple 30 miljard dolarjev. V primeru, da se za nakup odloči Apple, ima dovolj sredstev za prevzem (7 miljard dolarjev v gotovini).

In kaj je Freescale?

Freescale je oddelek motorole, ki izdeluje in razvija PowerPC G4 procesorje. Uporabili so jih v računalniku PowerBook, iBook in eMac. Trenutno Freescale razvija MPC8641D in MPC7448 (specifikacije).

Apple ne bo pomojem nikoli šaltas na x86 tehnologijo.... Prej na ia64 če že bojo v celoti šaltali na intel procesorje. Dvomim da bojo sedaj ponovno šli nazaj na 32 bitno tehnologijo, nekak se zdi nesmiselno kaj?

Torej verjento se seli vse skup na intel ampak dont wory, nevem zakaj bi to pomenilo kaj slabega. En dober članek je tukaj: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/06/apple_intel_analysis/

In samo en odsek članka ki se mi zdi precej kul za vse tiste ki se tako bojite kaj to pomeni:
a Mac built out of an Intel CPU and Intel system logic will be no more a PC than a Mac is today. Two things make a Mac: the operating system and the hardware design. It is not, for the vast majority of users, what kind of processor it contains.

kdo ve kdaj je govor? Bo kakšen prenos prek interneta?

še 50 minut.

WWDC 2005 (Prenos v živo)

<dl&rt;<dt&rt;sebastijan je napisal:</dt&rt;<dd&rt;še 50 minut.

WWDC 2005 (Prenos v živo)</dd&rt;</dl&rt;

"10:12 am steve wearing all black"\
a je na pogreb prsu? pogreb le cesa ))? verjetno PPCja

Očitno namerava Apple, ne samo izdelovati svoje računalnike, ampak želi konkurirati z svojim operacijskim sistemom na intel platformi, kar lahko pomeni zaton windowsov
S prehodom na intel procesorje se bo tudi verjetno povečalo število programov, ki drugače ne bi bili sprogramirani za mac os

"After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said."

Tole je že res, ampak če bo sistem delal na intelovih procesorjih, ga ne bo težko prirediti za ostale win pc.
Mac os že zdaj uporablja freeBSD jedro, ki je na voljo tudi za intelove procesorje, tako da niso imeli preveč dela s tem.

še nekaj zelo zanimivih podrobnosti iz http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/.

" I'm going to keep this brief, so please write me with the questions you have and any tests you want run on one of the dev kits. I will have one of my own next week as well.
First, the thing is fast. Native apps readily beat a single 2.7 G5, and sometimes beat duals. Really.
(I asked about real-world apps - if any were already available in native code-Mike)
All the iLife apps other than iTunes, plus all the other apps that come with the OS are already universal binaries....

They are using a Pentium 4 660. This is a 3.6 GHz chip. It supports 64 bit extensions, but Apple does not support that *yet*. The 660 is a single core processor. However, the engineers said that this chip would not be used in a shipping product and that we need to look at Intel's roadmap for that time to see what Apple will ship.

It uses DDR-2 RAM at 533 MHz. SATA-2. It is using Intel GMA 900 integrated graphics and it supports Quartz Extreme. The Intel 900 doesn't compare favorably to any shipping card from ATi or nVidia. The Apple engineers says they dev kit will work with regular PC graphics cards, but that you need a driver. Apple does not write ANY graphics drivers. They just submit bug reports to ATi/nVidia. So, when we asked where to get drivers for better cards the engineers said "The ATI guys are here." He's right, they've been in the compatibility lab several times.

It has FireWire 400, but not 800. USB 2 as well. USB 2 booting is supported, FireWire booting is not. NetBoot works.

The machines do not have Open Firmware. They use a Phoenix BIOS. That;s right, a Mac with a BIOS.
(I asked if the Bios had any tweaks like Memory Timing which is common for many PC motherboards, although Intel OEM motherboards don't usually have any end user tweaks like that.-Mike)
They won't tell us how to get in the BIOS. I'm sure we can figure it out when out dev kits arrive.

They run Windows fine. All the chipset is standard Intel stuff, so you can download drivers and run XP on the box.

Rosetta is amazing. (see earlier post on limitations of the Rosetta emulator - it's a G3 emulator basically - will not run Altivec code, etc. and performance isn't going to be as good as native code, but most Mac apps will run on a G3.-Mike) The tests I've run, both app tests and benchmarks, peg it at between a dual 800 MHz G4 and and a dual 2 G5 depending on what you are doing.
(I mentioned to him the limitations of Rosetta (posted below)-Mike)
It's true Rosetta does not support Altivec, but most apps run on a G3, right? Rosetta tells PPC apps that it is a G3. Apps should fall back to their G3 code tree. Everyone I tested did.

The UI tests in Xbench exceed a dual 2.7 by a large margin. (other specific tests are much lower than a G5 per Xbench site results.-Mike)

I've been talking to and watching a lot of devs. There are a lot of apps from big names running in the Compatibility lab already. Some people face more pain, sure, but Jobs wasn't kidding when he said that this transition would be less painful than OS 9 to OS X or 68K to PPC.

Game devs seem optimistic. They see porting Windows/x86 to Mac/x86 as much easier. They look forward to the day they don't have to support PPC.
I was talking to a (game Developer) that said about 1/3 of the process is handling endian issues, the rest is Win32/DirectX. For the next 3-5 years, their job will be harder since they have to port to two processor architectures and most bugs *are* endian related and that they will have a hard time making the PPC versions run as well as the x86 versions.

This transition is not about current P4 vs G5. It is about the future directions of the processor families. Intel is committed to desktop/notebook and server in a big way. Freescale/IBM are chasing the embedded market and console market. Apple would have been in a lurch in 2 years.

Also, all the cell people and the AMD people need to be quiet. Apple evaluated both. AMD has the same, if not worse, supply problems as IBM. Their roadmap is fine, but the production capacity is not.

The tested Cell as well. That processor is NOT intended for PC applications. (it was designed for game systems, not as a general use CPU) The lack of out of order execution and ILP control logic creates very poor performance with existing software. Having developers rewrite for cell would have been MUCH more work than reworking for Intel. And that's what this is, you rework your codebase in ALL cases, not rewrite it. "

TKOLE pa zgleda razvijalska različica PowerMac-a z Intelovim procesorjem.

Ok, ne razumem kako bo lahko Microsoft začel novembra tržit Xbox360 s 3-jedernim Custom IBM PPC (G5 v bistvu) procesorjem, Apple pa ne? Must be just something in my head

P.S. Razmišljam o tem da bi vzel tazadnji PowerBook ki bo še na voljo z G4 (torej nekje naslednje leto).. should I or should I not?

Tista Microsoftova zadeva je predelan G5 procesor pri katerem lahko tudi dosežejo višjo frekvenco, saj je posebej usmerjen v igre in jim določenih stvari ni potrebno podpirati, oz. zmogljivost na tistem področju ni tako pomembna (vsaj tako sem jaz, laik, razumel). Poleg tega je takle posel verjetno zelo ljub Intelu. Malo modificran procesor, ki je bil drugače že razvit in ogroooomne količine prodanih proc. Na drugi strani je Apple ki hoče kar nekaj variant procesorjev (npr. za v prenosnike, morebiti tablete) ,ki pa jih je tehnološko zahtevno in drago narediti. Poleg tega Apple količinsko še vedno predstavlja kapljo v morje... Zato IBM nima nekega velikega interesa in zato se je Apple znašel v zagonetki (prav lepo se sliši tale zagonetka) in se obrnil k Intelu. Tam je precej drugače, ker že imajo izdelano linijo procesorjev vse od strežnikov pa do mobile izdaj za prenosnike. Pa še manj problemov z zalogami in proizvodnjo imajo. Negativna plat pa je seveda tranzicija, kateri smo priča, CISC arhitektura itd...

še malo zabave iz časov, ko se je smelo pri Apple-u iz vseh topov udrihat čez Intel, Apple "skuri" Pentium 2 procesor:
Burn baby, burn

Apple QuickTime video, 5 mega fajl

Ogo

Zanimiva je tudi tale teorija, da naj bi Apple hotel in pričakoval, da bo trenutna različica OS X 10.4.1 za Intel procesorje prišla na internet. Poganjali jo bodo tako lahko tudi PC uporabniki, vendar bo precej neuporabna saj ne bodo možne nadgradnje, varnostni popravki itd. Torej kot nekakšna demo verzija, da zvabi PC uporabnike v prihodnosti na Mace.

ne vem če gre tukaj za to da bi steve napovedal vojno windowsom. svet pcjev je premočen za kaj takega. če bi js mel maca, kjer bi lahko uporabljal windowse gor z nezmanjšano hitrostjo bi imel vsaj dual boot. zaradi kompatibilnosti, iger, programov, ki ne obstajajo za mac platformo. dobro pa vemo, kako se obnesejo tile dual boot sistemi. kmalu se uporablja le eden.

lahko govorite kolikor hočete, kako to ni res in kako je os x boljši, pa bodite pošteni in vidite, da so windowsi bolj praktični. slovar, fonti, certifikati, programi samo za windows, igre, itd.

če se bo torej dalo poganjat na macih windowse si je steve zasadil en velik nož v hrbet, ki ga bo pobil. sam se tega verjetno prav dobro zaveda, zato v to zelo močno dvomim.